They say its going to snow.”

No kidding.

In about 24 hours, widespread heavy snowfall will affect the Northeast. Again, for these big storms, there isn’t a lot to say. Nor in truth are these storms what get me jazzed up. Nor are they really why you come here. YOu come here for the little reported, sneaky snow. But whatever….lest’s get to the snow.

All the major models have converged on a reasonable solution that combines – or phases- two strong low pressure systems.

I’ve marked them in blue below:

f48 pow return

Through the day friday these lows will interact and by Saturday morning these two systems are combined into one large coastal storm:


As this plays out the first act will involve a band of heavy precip associated with warm air advection moving into the northern NY. Snow from that will break out friday morning across NY state and then late morning friday in VT. Snows will be moderate thru the day friday in NY and VT. Snow will really ramp up from late afternoon friday thru saturday morning. Some data suggest upwards of 2 inches per hour will be possible for periods overnight friday.

At the same time, the combined large coastal low will begin to take over. This large coastal low will move up the coast and bring heavy heavy snow to portions of S/E New England late friday, early saturday.

The interesting part about this system will be how the northern stream low – and the precip associated with it – affects the Northern Adirondacks, and Northern Vermont. Normally, when you have northern stream low transferring energy to a coastal low, the precip can get cut off pretty quickly to the n/w of the now stronger coastal low. The result is a classic skunking of the ADK and parts of VT. That’s not looking like it’s going to happen here. Instead, it seems a heavy band of precip will remain going in the ADK. The models show the coastal low interacting with old northern-stream low (which devolved into nothing more than a trough) to funnel moisture into a narrow band in NY (and Nor. VT).

Last night I forecasted as such:
overall, there isn’t much else to say, so I’ll just get right to the forecast:

A: Extreme S/E New England. Widespread 18-30 inches of snow.
B: Southern VT, White Mtns (and I guess NW Maine should be here as well). Widespread 10-18 inches of snow.
C: Central and Northern Greens. Average 8-14 inches at lower elevations, 10-18 at higher elevations. VERY high snow to water ratios. Something like 15 or 16 to 1 will make it easy to get higher totals out of less water.
D: ADK and strip through so. quebec (Sutton area). Might just be the $$ spot when all is said and done. Looking a little wetter than Nor. VT per the models and with similarly high snow growth this area wil see widespread 8-14 with pockets MUCH MUCH above that. If this breaks per the 12z suite of guidance, certain pockets will be pushing the 24+ range.

Today I’m going to amend that. A clear trend has developed since the overnight models came in. That trend has reduced the precip in Northern VT substantially, tracked the coastal low east of it’s wednesday track and lightened the precip in the ADK. This trend was one of the reasons I was hesitant to put up a forecast last night. Since this storm became really likely, I’ve watched for this suppressed solution to develop. And while it’s clearly NOT suppressed per se, the heavy westward extent of the precip always felt overdone. Also, what I’ve noticed is that the timing – where in the coastal low sucks energy away from the northern low- is going to occur so as to really limit the precip in a pocket over nor vt. Makes sense and I’m gonning to go with that.

So with that in mind, here is my revised forecast:

NW ADK: 8-14, High Peaks: 8-12+, Nor. VT (89 to Jay): 6-10, Central Spine (89 thru 4): 8-16, Southern VT: 10-18+, So NH, 12-24, Whites 8-16, Maine 10-18, Berks and Catskills 12+


Well, here is where we’re at:
Nemo friday

You can clearly see the “northern” low – circled in red- and the southern low hanging just off the east coast. These two lows are going to interact over the next 6-12 hours. The result will be a very strong coastal low. HOWEVER, that’s not to say we’re done with this northern low.
This morning a warm front is extended out to the east of the “northern” low. I marked that as a red line. Warm air advection on a south/south east wind is bringing warm, moist air into the region. So far this morning it’s done really well and over produced snowfall. Whiteface is already reporting 10 inches of new snow on the upper mtn. Stowe is in the 4-6 range!

Looking at the high resolution model, it def. looks like we’ll get another 4-6 inches of snow.

Not sure I need to adjust my totals that much. Maybe bump the High peaks up into the 12-18 range, and bump up the spine from 89 thru smuggs into the 8-14ish range.

/End Update


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  1. Jon Williams
    wrote on February 6th, 2013 at 11:15 pm  

    Leaving Tomorrow….get some!!!

  2. Im a crappy skier
    wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 6:44 am  

    Off to Kmart today as soon as this work-thingie stuff is done. Thank you L!!!!!

  3. Pablo
    wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 6:49 am  

    Leaving tonight. Thank ras

  4. birdman
    wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 7:51 am  

    Hmmm so as far as snow quality Vermont wins again. Is this still the case this morning? NWS BTV seems to have reduced their forecast amounts this morning compared to last night.

  5. Eddie
    wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 8:16 am  
  6. Harvey44
    wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 9:35 am  

    The snowfall map and timing are key. Will be watching for the update. Thanks LH.

  7. Peter
    wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 10:51 am  

    The weatherman on teh teevee said this storm is actually cthulhu, and it will take my first born child. Is this true?

  8. JKG
    wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 2:34 pm  
  9. Anonymous
    wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 3:14 pm  

    as always thanks for your hard work Lionel – this is the best place to get real numbers

  10. rb
    wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 3:29 pm  

    For the central spine, do you think that 8-16 inch zone will be spread north (8) to south (16)?

  11. natron
    wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 3:40 pm  

    “maine 10-18″ maines a big state.. I predict madawaska will have 2″, katahdin 13″ camden to acadia 25″ portland 19″ s.back+ s.loaf 10″, riv 16”, de foothillz 19″…
    however there is no good skiing in maine, so who cares?

    • jake L.
      wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 9:11 pm  

      Now thats bulls eye data!
      “however there is no good skiing in maine, so who cares” LOL

  12. Chris
    wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 4:55 pm  

    stratton or okemo or berkshire east? (berkshire east is an hour closer)

  13. funker
    wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 5:34 pm  

    Everyone in the pool!

  14. funker
    wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 5:35 pm  

    oh yeah….thanks L!

  15. ml242
    wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 7:33 pm  

    Why is there no love for the Catskills?!?! How much snow for PLATTEKILL to the nearest 16th, please. Will it be up to my eyeballs?

  16. whitewoodchuck
    wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 8:46 pm  

    Thanks LH, looks good!!

  17. mtl_ripper
    wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 9:02 pm  

    what the hell am I still doing on my couch!!! gaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

  18. Anonymous
    wrote on February 7th, 2013 at 11:59 pm  

    I’ve got a case of the Mondays….

    • JKG
      wrote on February 8th, 2013 at 9:10 am  

      “No. No, man. Shit, no, man. I believe you’d get your ass kicked sayin’ something like that, man.”

  19. milestogo
    wrote on February 8th, 2013 at 8:31 am  

    First tracks down Mansfield this am before the lifts. 4-5 inches on top of groomed. Super low water content, as discussed here. Stick to the lower angle stuff for a quiet ride down on powder–Lullaby Lane was beautiful, fast, and floaty!

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